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No bagel is worth $95

Posted by Roberta Lipp on May 24, 2006

Okay, so I haven’t done straight rant in quite awhile. I almost re-tackled the American Idol phenom last week, but couldn’t really get it up for it (probably this week, though).

But I invaded my sister’s blog yesterday, and she suggested I take it back to my own freaking blog (she said this much more nicely).

I was talking to a ‘friend’ in a bar last week. He is a bar buddy only; a nice enough guy and very good looking, but I’ve found out that really he is Archie Bunker in a deceptively pretty package. We’re talking, and he begins making fun of the guy in the band – the guy is morbidly obese.

Now, check this. Morbid Obesity is a medical term, and you would be amazed how not fat you have to be to qualify. I haven’t looked at the numbers in a while, but I’m pretty sure that I am considered medically Obese, (not Morbidly, but still…), which is, I’m sorry, visually ridiculous.

And so when I say that this guy is morbidly obese, it’s because… obese, the adjective, not the medical condition, is what applies here. He must be 400 + pounds. And he is vital, and adorable, and a hell of a musician. But he can barely dress himself with any decency, and there’s this… air. about him. And I was watching him at one point, and he was playing his guitar so fast that I could not see his hand, it was all a blur, and I thought

what people say is that this guy is a slob who has no self-discipline? NO SELF-DISCIPLINE? Look at those fingers go! People cannot begin to comprehend the complexity that makes a fat person a fat person…

… and I’m not going to write today about all the forces within me (physical, psychological, mental), that I believe collaborated to make the odds of my not being fat so terribly low, but believe me, I understand the prison this guy is in. And the pride he carries as he pretends he is not caged. I don’t know him well, and am always tempted to speak to him about my experience (weight loss surgery 2 ½ years ago) but, you know, not so appropriate.

Anyway, I turn to Pete (Archie Bunker with Robert Plant hair) and I look him in the eye and say, ‘You know I used to be really fat, right?’ And his answer was, ‘but you’re not now’.

so this makes it okay.

I think I tried sputtering some argument, but I’ve argued with this guy before over some gay stuff, and it’s just pointless. Of course my arguments are seamless. I’m really good at arguing, and I’m smarter than him and… you can’t penetrate someone like that. I walked away. We’re bar buddies, he knows I wasn’t thrilled, beyond that it’s not a relationship that needs stoking.

But jeez. Would he say this to a black person with Caucasian looking skin? (well, okay, maybe he would.)

I’ve ranted this before, but it’s been awhile, and it bears repeating.

Fat is the one, the single malady to which the people of this culture entitle themselves to scapegoat, with uncensored abandon.

And our culture does not acknowledge this little glitch in our pc system.

Direct from an old blog of mine:

People will freely offer unsolicited weight loss advice. But do people freely offer hygiene tips to people who are in need? Nope, they actually don’t know how to handle it. They consult with Human Resources about how to break it to a co-worker that they should wear deodorant, because no one wants to make anyone feel that badly about themselves. But no one has a problem telling fat people “you have such a pretty face, if only you would lose weight”. “Oh, you’re such a nice guy, if only you would use a little mouthwash, I’d have a hundred girls I’d fix you up with!”

And worse, fat people are willing participants in this open-fire on themselves. I remember sitting in a movie theater when a preview of Shallow Hal played, and these two fat women a couple of rows behind me were whooping it up. See, women in this country who are fat, they know they deserve to be made fun of. They know they are not doing their proper job of being beautiful women. And they know they better not get pissed off about being mistreated about something that is ultimately their shortcoming.

More from the same blog (lto be clear, I have never seen this movie):

Shallow Hal. Picture the premise… a man who sees ugly people as beautiful. Now, what if instead of fat as a representation of the ultimate not pretty girl, they had used say… black? (Albert, thanks for this one.) He sees white, but really, HAHAHA, she’s a black girl. A black girl!!! Hilarious. Instead of splashing the pool until it’s empty, [because that always happens to big women], she, what, I don’t know… steals everything in sight and can’t hold a job? dances really well? I don’t even know where to go with this…

That movie would not have been made. (the one where he finds he CAN love a black person! He’s not so shallow any more!) But it’s still acceptable to make fun of fat, to point out the wrong of it. Get it?

Let me mention that I am not a fan of fat. I was not, as a fat(ter) woman, proud of being fat. I wasn’t into being a ‘BBW’, and I super really absolutely wanted nothing to do with ‘FA’s (Fat Admirers). I am woefully ignorant of all things relating to fat activism.

But I do not find it acceptable to equate fat with disgusting, unattractive, and deserving of ridicule.

Mandisa, American Idol contestant, a big beautiful woman (genuinely big, genuinely beautiful) was told by Paula Abdul that she has a beautiful face. Let’s finish that sentence… ‘despite how fat you are’ or, the perennial favorite, ‘if only you would lose weight’. And Mandisa did not know enough, I assert, to find that comment insulting. Katharine McPhee is told every week how beautiful she looks. Not her face, but her.

(Separately I will add, entirely off-topic, that Paula Abdul is a fucking idiot, and maybe a drunk.)

Kirstie Alley. She was doing okay there for awhile. I never watched Fat Actress, so I don’t know where/if the line was drawn between holding a viewpoint of fat being something a woman can be comfortable being, and ridiculing Hollywood and the world for its reactions (like she was doing on talk shows and in articles prior to the series), and being self-deprecating.

But I do know she lost me with her Jenny Craig ads celebrating her weight loss to the tune of It’s Raining Men.

I don’t have a problem admitting that I attract more men since I’ve lost weight. And I don’t have a problem with it as a fact of life; that a woman who is more than a hundred pounds overweight is not as sought after in this society as a woman who is fifty pounds overweight.

But to celebrate, to actually promote it, speaks out against fat women, and yes

speaks out against women.

It’s a feminist issue. It fucking is. Hating fat women is hating women. And women accept this hatred, embrace it, and use it to ‘motivate’.

Not acceptable!

Direct from my comment to my sister’s blog:

Haven’t read a thing about the fat men angle, but I don’t care. Fat emasculates a man, the way it defeminizes a woman. Men get boobs. Morbid obesity messes with the hormones of both genders.

(This guy in the band the other night – he is absolutely thought of as ‘less than a man’, to some. Which of COURSE = a woman.)

(It is the same ‘patronizing’ attitude. It comes from the same mindset that men rule the world. Rich white men. And those men don’t have to be thin and pretty, as long as their women are. And a fat guy can be in their stupid club, but a fat woman can’t.)

You have to be waaay fatter as a man to fall victim of the prejudices; guess what? I don’t have a problem that people have a problem with folks who take up two seats. It’s… a problem. But a guy who is 80 pounds overweight does not suffer socially from what a woman who is 60 pounds overweight does.

Here I am, with no closer. I don’t know if this is well-ordered. Roberta needs an editor.

Oh yeah the title has nothing to do with anything. Apparantly it costs a fucking fortune to FedEx something when you’re not using your work’s corporate account. Just trying to send some Murray’s Bagels to Albert in Seattle. He can’t get a decent bagel out there.

16 Responses to “No bagel is worth $95”

  1. Deborah said

    Actually, I meant go to your own frickin blog where you could spread out and stretch and write a really amazing post. This rocks.

  2. Roberta said

    Totally knew that. Sometimes things are just funny.

    and thanks.

  3. mom said

    Excellent, well articulated, always makes me sad to hear how much pain was involved for you

  4. shadesofblue said

    that really rocked.
    great writing too!
    i have struggled with the physical and psychological weight of being overweight my entire life.
    it has been very very difficult.
    a few days ago i cried long and hard on the phone with my 5′11″ size 2 sister (my other 2 sisters are also normal weight) about the
    looks of disgust you see in people’s eyes and some of the well meaning but incredibly hurtful remarks made to me by ‘well meaning’ folks-my dad included.
    i realized lately that i am an extremely angry person-well i figured that out a few months earlier-i was just finally able to admit that it stemmed from the fact that i was born fat in a fat prejudice world.
    in the last year a miracle of a doctor diagnosed me with hypothyroid and systemic yeast infection. GUESS WHAT? i’m losing weight and treating the yeast has stopped most of my sugar/starch cravings. SO GUESS WHAT ELSE?
    all my life i had countless doctors tell me my thyroid was fine and it was just my lack of self control. my miracle doctor told me the medical guidelines for diagnosis are WAY to wide and that alot of people are walking around with untreated hypothyroid.
    sorry for rambling but i guess you touched a nerve.
    thanks for this article-keep em coming!
    cyn

  5. Roberta said

    Mom, sorry it brings you down. Doesn’t bring me down.

    Cyn — amazing! and thank you.

    And… keep looking at that anger. Hang out with it. The target of my anger has shifted around over the years; don’t be so quick to assign it to one thing and write it off. Peel the layers and see what’s next.

  6. Jeff said

    Fat is the one, the single malady to which the people of this culture entitle themselves to scapegoat, with uncensored abandon.

    Who says it’s a “malady”? Fat people may have a higher incident of some diseases, but by that token, a high amount of melanin is a “malody” because of the association with sickle cell.

  7. Roberta said

    Jeff: re malady

    shit I knew someone would bust me on that as a controversial term.

    Look, as I said, these are my opinions, and not always pc or in line with fat activism.

    That said, I don’t know of a disease state that obesity isn’t connected with… and I just know, instinctively, from living my life, that being fat is a state of imbalance that makes my body not work quite right. You know what? I’m down, again, for the second time in three months, with really nasty bronchitis. I believe wholeheartedly that my body weight and the crummy foods I eat are the ultimate cause of it. I don’t smoke anymore. And I’ve fought this my whole life. The bronchitis. And the fat.

    But, to get all dictionary.com on your ass, malady is defined as a disease, disorder, or ailment. Any unwholesome or desperate condition… impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism.

    Ailment is defined as a bodily disorder or chronic disease. An often persistent bodily disorder or disease; a cause for complaining.

    I’m sorry, but that sounds about right to me.

    I am not looking to have people embrace fat as the new thin. Fat is a problem. I am just trying to point out the ugliness with which people speak to it. The thin and fat folk alike.

    Jesus I remember watching Chris Farley, always using his fat as the joke. Might as well throw on some blackface and sing Mammy.

  8. Deborah said

    I kind of agree with Jeff about “malady.” Or, I agree with you that morbid obesity is a malady, but I don’t agree that all overweight is a malady.

    Shit, people were telling me I was fat a hundred pounds ago. Insulting me, laughing at me, making snide remarks. Because I was 30 or 40 or 50 pounds over my “ideal body weight.” Because I carried T&A and wore a size 12. TWELVE!

    Now, you and I might not look at my 1981 self and say “fat,” but I was treated fat, and the word was used, and my what a party was thrown when I lost sixty pounds (each of the 3 or 4 times I lost sixty pounds).

    Even at the size I am now, which is definitely fat, and not merely shapely like it was in ‘81, I don’t think it’s a malady. Heart: Good. Blood pressure: Good. Immune system: Good. Blood sugar: Good. Mobility: The weight definitely affected the knee injury, but it wasn’t the only factor, and probably wasn’t the deciding factor. So I can’t see diagnosing a malady based on generally excellent health and only the weight to indicate possible future problems.

    Everyone is different. But with all the complexities of weight loss, anger, mistreating your body, there is also the reality that if we were all healthy and sane and couldn’t even SPELL dysfuntional, we would not all be the same size. There would still be Emme.

    Also, you said “I believe wholeheartedly that my body weight and the crummy foods I eat are the ultimate cause of it.” I eat better than you. Love me some veggies. Always have. I suspect that’s a big difference.

    So it’s reasonable for you to perceive your weight as connected to your persistent bronchitis (although, 100 pounds later and still coughing? Maybe not so much). But my weight goes up and I’m fine, and I do think health should be looked at based on health, not on size.

    (And btw, it was well over a year after quitting smoking before I saw any health benefits.)

  9. Deborah said

    FUCK!

    Go talk to Podz. I just wrote the comment of the century and it’s gone.

  10. Roberta said

    Comment is up and running. There has been some sketchiness…

    Yes, I deliberately referred to my eating habits in that statement.

    I will reconsider.

    Gotta go. Idol. I have SO many issues.

  11. Seymour said

    “Archie Bunker with Robert Plant hair.”

    That’s all I’m qualified to comment on here.

    (…and yeah… she throws ‘em back.)

  12. Jon said

    I always enjoy reading your writing. Always impressed by how thoughtful, perceptive, and expressive you are, and the intelligence, humility and bravery that implies.

    Jon

  13. Jess Katz said

    I love absolutely love the “but you’re not anymore” comment. Of course a man would think, “phew, thank goodness, she’s thinner now, i think it’s okay to talk to her”. LIke GOd forbid you had a life before you met him, when you were fat, or had sex with other men for that matter. I wonder which is worse to the average american man, having a wife gain weight or have an affair.
    You’d be surprised with the results if I did a survey , 50 lbs she gains, or has two affairs, hmmm

  14. [...] Roberta uses her voice to talk about an array of topics from the ridiculous definition of morbid obesity to inserting race into Shallow Hal to the “beautiful face syndrome” to sizism as a feminist issue and more. All-in-all, its your basic i-need-to-say-this-before-i-explode rant. [...]

  15. Rich Hogen said

    RE: “Malady”

    I thought you were saying “malady” from the perspective of “social malady”, i.e. the entire topic of the blog. If we’re going to take offense to the term “malady” in a medical sense, then *everything* could be a malady…

    R-)

  16. Roberta said

    (rocket scientist to the rescue!)

    I thought I was too…

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